Ep. 37 Where AI Meets Faith with Software Creator Kinzie Hamilton

I'm Lacey Jones with Elevate the Individual. Episode 37 Where AI Meets Faith with Software Creator Kinzie Hamilton.

AI, or artificial intelligence, is all the rage these days as it takes over our digital and creative world. As with all advances in technology, creators determine whether or not they will use their talents for the good of society or to our detriment. And once the new technology is launched, the end user will also need to decide how they will use the new tool. Will they use it to develop their talents and create new products that allow others to positively contribute to society? Or will they develop something that consumes valuable resources to combat? The answer lies with the creator. And today we're going to meet Kenzie Hamilton, a grad student and co creator of Podflow, an AI software that seeks to simplify and enhance the podcast editing process. I have enjoyed getting to know Kenzie as she and her team fine tune the software behind Podflow.

As an entrepreneur, I have enjoyed watching.

Their team problem solve and troubleshoot the natural hiccups of taking a new product to market. Kenzie has had to rely on her faith as she seeks to develop and hone her talents while completing grad school and considering her next steps. So let's step into our conversation as.

Kenzie introduces herself and Podflow.

Well, I'm kenzie. I'm Kenzie Hamilton. I grew up in Logan, Utah, and I am actually a grad student right now at BYU. I'm studying information systems, which is like a combination of computer science and business. It's like a nice in between. And I really just like working on different projects like you like I love getting my fingers dirty. Anything techie like, I'm really into it. And building software has become like a thing that I really enjoy.

Okay, so how did you get to the software, like building software pieces? Because I think you and I have talked about this before where when I was younger and trying to figure out my path that really wasn't maybe a thing that was so common. So how did you get into that direction?

It was kind of a wandering path, you know what I mean? Some people I heard the saying yesterday liked it a lot. There's like the 5% of people who know exactly what they want to do and they just confuse the rest of us, right, because we're all like we should know, we should know what we want to do. But I think for most people it's just like iterative process, right? Like you just try a couple of things and figure out what resonates with you, what doesn't. But actually this is my second time going to school, so this is the grad program, right. But my first time I was so frustrated because I just couldn't figure out what I liked and what I wanted to do. So I ended up with a sociology degree. Interesting degree, but doesn't give you a lot of hard, tangible skills. And I ended up working in the film and TV industry. I was a project manager and I helped put together commercials and TV shows. And so I realized, one, I really like managing people and I love managing big projects, but I didn't love how crazy those were. Right. Because they're not very tangible. Right. It's not something somebody could log in and keep using. It's just like you watch it once and you maybe forget about it or it really wasn't impactful. So tech was the next step for me because I was like, wow, it'd be really cool to manage people in a big project, but on something that is actually useful for people, right, they are using it in their everyday life to accomplish something. And that just seemed really cool. It just seemed a little bit more mentally stimulating too, like thinking through a lot of those technical challenges and problems and having to have somewhat of an expertise before you come in and build something like that. So, I don't know, I just was like, that's something interesting. And then I had to go back to school to kind of get I mean, there's a lot of ways I could have done it, right? But I chose to go get a master's degree to try to get more technically sound and get the type of experience I needed so I could go work for a software company.

So how did you make that decision? Because earlier in this year, I did a lot of work on goal setting and achieving and that sort of thing and trying to find your path. And how do we find this path? So you get your bachelor's and then you start working from there. So what time in between getting your bachelor's and starting your master's, what time.

Frame was it was like three and a half years. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So it's pretty significant. I think some people probably figured out fast. It took me a little bit longer to kind of figure out, like, hey, I like elements of this, but I don't like other elements of this. Right. Some things totally resonate with my core value system and other parts of this. Thank you. Yeah, exactly.

Okay, so then how did you pick a school? How did you know what program, how did you settle on where you landed?

I think some of it was convenience and affordability. Right. So I'd worked in other places for TV and everything, but I had gotten to a point where I could work freelance from Utah. And so I really like to ski and hike and all that stuff. So it was like a good fit for me. I was like, well, I don't love my job, but I'll figure it out. And so I chose BYU because again, I was already here and it was affordable and it was a program I knew I could get into and within two years I could have some pretty tangible skills. Okay. But the reason why I picked that was actually I went to a friend, invited me to come to a lecture on campus from an entrepreneur who was building a new software company called it Halo, which was really interesting. He was using AI to natural language processing, to parse through people's. When customers have complaints or say something about your product, that's all just hard for people at the company to get, like in a report, right? Because it's not structured. It's not structured data. And so his company would take that, analyze it, structure it, and help give real insights to companies. I just thought that was the coolest idea. I talked to him afterwards, I was like, how do you build that? How do you come up with that? And who does the research and development for that? Because that sounded really interesting. I was like, who even comes up with that concept? Who builds the first type of thing for that? And he said, hey, it's information system students. I always hired those students to help me with this. Okay. So it really wasn't much more research than that. It was just like, okay, that's cool. This program can give me the skills. It was something I knew I could get into and the timeframe worked. It was a two year thing. I was like, okay, there's probably other ways I could go about this, but the BYU network is really good and I know I can get a job like that in research development at a software company. That's what I want. And so that's kind of what so I think it was more of like a gut decision more than a logical one. Some people do like a lot of research and I think I just felt good about it, as silly as that sounds. Sometimes you just got to go with what you feel good with.

Yeah, but how do you learn to trust your gut, right? Because I think we all have those impressions and I guess it's personal revelation, but right. How do you know how to trust that?

I think it's just like anything, right? It's just like it's previous experiences where you have trusted it and it worked out or maybe it didn't, but there's positive that came from it, right? Yeah. I think it's just like what's in that muscle ahead of time. So when those decisions come up, you have the confidence to trust that instinct, right? Yes. And I love you bringing religious aspect into this, right. That's how God works with you. Right. He's never going to force you to do anything, right. But he can help guide you and help and if you have tried your best to practice listening to that and having the faith that he will lead you down the best path, when you feel good about something like that, or however the spirit speaks to you, it's like you just got to trust and go for it. And it's like, it's not all going to come together at once. It's just like that first step. If you can just take that first step, it is so crazy and so cool just to see how the next steps will start to come.

Amen. Amen. Right?

We'll keep making course adjustments. What were you going to say?

But just like, taking that first step, right? Getting the courage to take the first step and to have the conversations and to network and kind of place yourself where you can have those conversations with people. Because my other question for you was you mentioned that gentleman who said, oh, information systems, right? Is there anyone else who helped kind of guide you or, hey, maybe try this or over that, or supported you as you made these decisions?

It was like kind of a left field change for me. And just for so long, I've been so interested in the media field, and doing that had been a focus for a lot of my life. Like, starting when I was 16, I got like, a job at a radio station or just like, every summer or even early college. It was just always a media. So when I took this heart switch to technology, some people were like, this is kind of OD for you. I don't think this is a good fit for you. But it was cool to see other people in my social circles or just for my support system were like, no, this is awesome. Good for you for pushing yourself. And I know this is scary. It really was. It was a big I was really not confident, right? I was like, this is so hard. Those technical skill sets are something I'd never done before. Yeah, really kicked my butt. I'm still not the strongest technical person, but you just get more confident, and it just gets helpful when you have those people in your support system that are like, you don't give up. I know it's hard and this is a new thing for you, but you can do this. And so, yeah, I really credit some of my good friends to that, my family members, to being really supportive. And then just like, even there's a professor that I had. His name is Professor Anderson. Just the coolest guy, too. Especially for the women students. Because I think, come in and just think, oh, we're not technical. We can't do this. He really was aware of that, I think. And just encourage you, right? He could just tell if you're feeling discouraged or just like, I can't get this. He would just pull you aside and just like, you can do this. So it's just like people like that who just really help you build your confidence. And again, just like, more experiences where you can figure out the hard problem, something will finally click. The more experiences you get with that, the more confident you get towards, okay.

So how long have you been doing your Master's program now? When did you start it?

Two years. Yeah. So I had a year and a half. Not a year and a half. Sorry. Had like a semester of prerequisites and then 2021 was when I started the Master's program. Okay.

I know that's kind of pandemic years. Did that affect anything and how you're going to school or I mean, life through all of this?

Totally. And I'd love to hear how it impacted you. It's kind of a crazy story. Like, again, I'm glad we could read your religious aspect of like yes, please do. Cool. Yeah. God. Totally had my back onto this one. I was feeling really unhappy about my job when I got interested in going back to school was right before the pandemic hit. Conversation with that gentleman happened right before the pandemic hit. And I had made that decision to take a step back and start the prerequisites for my program right. As COVID shut everything down so I wouldn't have had any work for 6910 months, something like that. I don't think. I still was doing some freelance work, but it was another year, 2021, before I actually even got to working on overset. So it's like the timing was incredible of just that's awesome. Yeah, I had that feeling, or I felt confident enough to make that switch. It was so good because I'd started working towards that direction. Schooling was online for a lot of it, and that was actually, I think, really good for me because I was a little bit of an older student. Right. A lot of people get their Master's degrees right out of their undergraduate. They'll just combine it. Okay. So it was nice for me. I was able to kind of be remote and not have to be in the classroom as much. And I'd learn a lot better with visuals so I could relaunch the lectures and the videos. And that actually ended up being a really good way for me to learn.

It, I was going to say. So that format worked for you and not for everybody.

I know. It was really bad for a lot of the people. Right. So it was a mixed bag. That was a really hard time. Almost a lot of other people because.

I have the five boys and during that time, we're trying to do well.

Sorry, that one suffered.

Right. Like, we're trying to do online school. I'm trying to work. And so my oldest at that time, I think he was a freshman, and online learning, the school obviously wasn't set up for that no fault of their own. They just were not set up for that. Right. And so online learning was terrible. It wasn't something that worked for them, but like everything we figured it out kind of thing, but to know that that's what worked for you or that it could work for you and you could really thrive in that environment is amazing. And then to have yourself lined up where, hey, I'm already thinking this way anyways, that maybe I should step away from TV and media and pursue this path. To already be turned in that direction before the world shut down, that's a huge blessing.

Seriously. I was already on the path.

I like it.

You're superwoman, though, to be able to do working and have your five boys. Oh my gosh.

Not superwoman. We all just do, right, like, what we need to do. Because what is the other option? Like, we all just sit as Vegetated State and watch TV. We did a lot of that, but we got to be educated too. Now, how I met you through podcasting, and you had posted in the podcast host that I use. You posted on there and said you're from BYU, which I loved because that's my alma mater. And so how did you get into the podcast? And now the software I'll have you explain what you're doing because there's no way I'm going to do it any sort of justice.

Great. Don't worry. It's like so niche too, right? It's a very unique product. So for our master's degree, we have our last year is called our Capstone Year. And so we have a whole year to work on the software project. And so my partner, his name is Jacob, we tossed around a couple of different ideas, but he was, hey, like, AI is a thing, right? It's really cool. You can do a lot of things with automating, written languages, writing, summaries, stuff like that. He's like, my mom's been trying to start a podcast and she's finding that she really dislikes editing. She really has a hard time coming up with titles and descriptions and finding it where certain things were said in her podcast. He's like, what if we could make that easier for her? And so that's getting all that started. We were like, well, it's interesting. So it was just a lot of exploring and then figuring out that actually, yeah, with the technology that we have now, with Chat GBT, with OpenAI, with other AI language models and stuff like that, we could take out some of that stuff that podcasters don't like doing. Or I guess anybody is a creator and has audio as a format, like just going back and listening to it and editing it and coming up with sound bites or an article or social media post, stuff that takes time. It's like, we can help automate that. And so, yeah, that's what we're working on is something that's called Podflow. And so it was cool I met you. We're just trying to ask people that's. Like, the first step is like, okay, we have a concept, but it doesn't matter if it works, will people actually want it? And there's a lot of fine tuning there, which is really fun. Like working with actual people and getting their actual feedback of like, I don't like this. I like this. That's how we found you. That's the product. So as a software, we can automate a lot of the post production process for you as a podcaster.

Yeah, it's amazing. It has helped a ton because I think you nailed it. It's Jacob, your partner.

Yeah.

So as he's talking about his mom and having to come up with titles and all this extra work, the first time I did the podcast and my first interview, I was like, oh, my gosh, I love knowing where I started and then the product that I put out to the world. A lot of fine tuning and editing and cleaning up. It was a production. I don't know. I liked how I felt once it was out there of like, oh, I produced that.

I love that.

Well, my podcast is a weekly podcast, and with everything else that I want to do, I don't want to necessarily put that much time into production. If we're going to do that, I want a team, but I'm not to the point where I'm hiring a team yet. And so to dig into the software that you guys are creating, I was thinking about this because it has, like, I can plug in my audio, and I love AI and seeing how it picks up on things, it's not perfect, right? Some of the things are funny, like, the names that they pick up and tell me who I was interviewing.

I'm so sorry. We were like, oh, we got to figure that one out, because they're funky.

Names sometimes, the ones that they put in there, the filler words that they put in other awesome. And it spits out all these options, which then to me, it generates my creativity. Like, okay, I can see this. Yeah, and I can see, oh, I like this title, or I like this option, or I might tweak this word or something. But it just seriously feels like I have a team. And so now I've been trying to automate social media posts and all of that, like, templates kind of stuff, just so I can start building up a presence and all of that, but not put all the time that I don't have into it. So it's a beautiful thing. And then you mentioned, as we're talking about kind of some of the filler names that get put into it, that you were trying to figure that out, which that's awesome. So let's say you run into a wall or you run into a challenge. How do you figure it out?

That's great. I think it's just persistence, right? I think first understanding the problem. So with that, we understand where those are coming from. We're like, okay, our transcription service, when they don't understand who the speaker is, it'll put in a weird name. That's what happened. So it's like, we identified the problem first, so now it goes to step two. It's like, okay, now that we know the problem, how do we solve that? And so there'll probably be a lot of coding around it or maybe even trying to get treated from transcription service, whatever we need to do, trying to make those names go away. And then I guess it would just be like, a lot of testing afterwards to make sure it's actually the problem solved, right? I don't know if that answers the question, but it's just like yeah, it's like you got to identify it, and you got to just try different things until it works.

Oh, I'm over here building metaphors in my head right through the coaching that I do. First, you do have to identify it. You have to gain an awareness of what's causing what the problem is and then also kind of what's causing that problem. And so as you gain awareness that, hey, something's not right, it's not spitting out the end result that we want. Okay, so where do we think the breakdown is? In the information that's coming in and then the information that's being kicked back out. Okay, now where do we need to tweak it? Where do we need to cause a change? And is it something that we have to do? Is it something that someone else we're working with has to do? But I'm over here just building all these metaphors. I'm like, oh, my gosh, this is what I work with my clients. This is challenges. So my question to you is why do we face challenges? Why do we persist through them? Why don't we just give up and walk away?

Yes. Because there's so much more reward on the other side, right? It's like you're so close to getting whatever the goal is and the task. You can just challenges. And it's like they're totally doable too. I think sometimes they seem instrumental, but it's just like little small steps at a time. As a kid, I would try to learn piano. I took piano. A lot of us did, I think, and those were really hard. That was really overwhelming to look at a big piece of music as a kid and be like, I have to memorize that and learn that. So my mom would always cut them up at the measures, right? So, like, one little section, I would learn that. And so I think that was, like, a really good metaphor for me of just like, that's just kind of how you solve problems, right? You look at the whole thing, but then if it feels overwhelming, it's just like, what's the very first step that I can take that seems know and that's like, it did great. What's the next step I can take? And that just feels more doable than this big task or this big challenge? That just seems really overwhelming, right?

Yeah. Okay, so who all is on your team? You mentioned Jacob. Is there anyone else working with you on this, or what's behind the scenes, what's going on?

What's really cool about this is there are other people we have mentors for sure, you know what I mean? There's other people who are building something really similar to us that are mentoring us or other entrepreneurs in Utah, outside of Utah that just think what we're doing is rad and they want to give back to the community and other students that are also working with us because they also need a grade to graduate. They're also in this accelerator program, this Capstone program, and they have to work on a project to graduate. So it takes a freaking community, you know what mean? Like none of this happens. Just follow like one person. So it's been really cool just to see everybody just kind of come together and interim, work on something really cool.

So just because I'm curious, what's the split between men and women in your program?

They've done a really good job of trying to reach out to more women for sure. So I would say it's probably like 30% women, 70% men.

Okay.

Actually raise pretty good for our program on our project. I'm the only girl, right? It's like me and then everybody else is a man. That's sometimes really interesting because the way I'll communicate is more in a feminine style than the more masculine style that they have. And so sometimes that's kind of a dance of just like how do I modify my communication, be a little bit more direct and want it, I guess just like work better, right?

Oh, I love it. Because I don't know you don't know this about me, but I was raised with five older brothers.

I don't have sisters, okay?

So I understand being in that world a little bit and trying to figure out how to communicate.

You get heard.

That's awesome. Where do you feel like you're at for Podflow right now? Very beginning. Kind of beginning, merging into middle, coming to a finished piece. Where do you feel like you are in that?

Software is really interesting. It's like something you're always continuing to work on. I think close to having a really solid just like first product. Right? Like there's some of those accuracies that you're seeing. There's some other features that people have requested that we put in. And I think point where it's just like, okay, now we just have to get more people trying it and we'll get more feedback, more and more slack. So I guess it's more like the middle beginning, if that makes sense. That's what they call, they call it like a minimum viable product to kind.

Of get it out there and have people testing it.

Yeah, exactly. And if they pay for it, awesome. But also at this point, people might not be willing to pay for it quite yet because it's not quite where it needs to be or it's not solving problem well enough. And so it's like it's just a matter of figuring that out. Once you feel like you have a better idea of how if it really does solve their problem, then you're ready to start scaling that and you kind of need to be that phase. It's more like the beginning middle ground. You just try to acquire users and then see what they need. And there's like a whole piece to that too. Your product can be awesome but if you're not good at marketing it, well.

That was my next question. Is your information systems. So you're building this thing and this goes into what I'm doing, right? I've taken this week, tried to take off most days from Subbing so that I can create content.

Love that. That's awesome.

I have this big project I'm trying to put together and so I will have a product to then go out and market your information systems. Yes, but one of the next steps will be marketing this product. Is that something that you continue with or do you have other people doing that?

Yeah, we're so small and this is just like any business. I'm sure your experiences too, you are a one person team or maybe not. I shouldn't say that. Maybe.

Yes I am.

And that's for us too. We're a small team. It's like yeah, absolutely. It'll be me working on that and potentially some other team members. So it's like I have no way how to do that. I'm learning how to do that. Fortunately we have some really awesome mentors that are throwing us breadcrumbs along the way. But for the majority of it, we've got to just figure it out. I got some really good advice. It was like first understand who you're trying to target and then figure out where they're at. And then figure out what would resonate with them. And then from there try to automate that process, right? Like you found them and you know where they're at. So it's like how do you just get messaging out that would potentially resonate with them and just get that feedback of just like, hey, did it work out? Did it not? And try things until it's sticking, I guess.

Yeah.

Okay.

So the automation, I'm in all the phases, right? I'm in the content development, I'm in the trying to gain leads and clients and automation and all of that. But the automation, that's a big thing that is going on behind the scenes. Because if I am attracting people to my coaching style and my products, right? How do I retain them? How do I run them through the system without physically holding their hand? I know, through the system. And then how do I automate all of that so that they get the answers and the information that they need and that help that they need. Because I think we've got some amazing things right? Like you're helping and providing a solution to what your clientele needs. And so that automation. I just started looking. Into email automation, like email funnels. It's an interesting process.

It is, yeah. I was going to say it sounds like we're in the same boat. I don't know any more than you do. It sounds like we're trying to learn it right now. Just figure out, okay, how do you do that? How do you build an email funnel? Right. Or how do you build a landing page, or how do you run ads? Or how do you offer something of value to people's, communities, hopefully get them interested enough to at least see the product or something. Right?

Yeah, right.

I don't know. All is new to me, too.

Yes. And so what I love is that, yes, I went to BYU how many years ago? Like almost 20 years. Well, it was 20 years, but my path to where I am today, I didn't go Information Systems and you didn't start Information Systems, but we've taken two different paths decades apart. But then the ultimate product and situation, there's similar parallels along that way. And so kind of just wanted to speak to that because I encourage moms, women, people to develop your talents, get out there and figure out what your talents are, where you can apply them, how you can share them with others. And it doesn't necessarily mean, all right, you have to sign up for the Information Systems program at BYU and you have to follow this path and that path, and then you're going to get this specific outcome. We each just kind of have to take our steps and trust that faith process of all right, heavenly Father, I'm going to take this door. I've studied it out. I think I'm going to go this direction. And whether or not it works, you figure it out, which you've probably seen a lot in your software development of test it out and see what works. And oh, wait, we got our feedback, it's not working. I don't know. Any thoughts on that, that you have?

It's interesting. People who are maybe not believers or maybe not religious are just like, well, this is your bias speaking, right? You have a bias towards saying everything worked out the way it should because that's how you feel better about the choices you made. Which that may be true. Right. But it's like, I like to look at it with a lens of faith, of being like, hey, God had my back. He knew that certain things had to happen for me to grow and develop. So now that I'm here and I found something that I like, I have the confidence, I've had relevant experience, I've had some of those all starts to understand and to be able to fill, like, no, this is the right thing for me. I'm still relatively young, but it's just like I always want it to be faster. I just want to go I want to get there faster. I think we can all but it's like I think sometimes there's so much learning along the way, and if you can look back, you can see how Lord probably the timing is good, right? You know what I mean? Some things maybe you could have gotten to faster if you would have maybe made a couple of different choices. But ultimately, he works together for our good, and he wants us to magnify our talents. Right. He wants us to be able to have those so we can bless other people. And so he's not going to stall our growth because maybe we didn't have the confidence and the faith to take that path. He will definitely give us another opportunity, maybe in a different form. But it's like our job to trust and to keep moving forward and to just trust the process. Right. It's going to come together for us, but it just might not be in the timing that we want.

Yeah. And it is probably going to look a little bit different. As I've been creating content this last week and working on one of my kind of larger projects, all of a sudden I had these light bulbs of like, oh, then I could take it here and we could do this with it, and then I could take it here. And you talk about needing feedback. Well, I could approach this group. Well, this is a group that I've actually been working with that I didn't want to ever say was taking me away from coaching and developing my business. I always knew that there was a purpose to it, but now I'm really seeing why this was happening over here. And so I think we can have our ideas and our talents at Heavenly Fathers. All right, I am over here just waiting to pour all this out on you. Look, keep trusting, keep having that faith, keep developing your faith. And I've got this beautiful thing. Everything is going to work for your good. I just know it isn't. Just stay with me, right? Like, figure out how to overcome challenges. You're going to need that talent as you move forward in this part of the project over here. So you just keep working through that. I don't know, it's kind of cool to see. I like metaphors, and it's fun to kind of apply them.

You're seeing that in your business. I really love that.

Yeah. All right, so this is your capstone project, right? Okay, so when is graduation?

In a month, but we're still going with it. I mean, this is something we'll continue to run with. I think it's got real legs, and it's been really cool. Like the other people who are building. Like I said, we're all really new in this space, and we're just like we're right there neck with other competitors. And it's like if we just keep at this for a long time, it's like this could be a little thing that we pursue. So, yeah, we're done in a month. And I think probably some of our team members will drop off, but the core group is just going to continue out.

Oh, I love it. I love it. Because you each have individual talents.

Totally.

You've also been raised in I don't know exactly how old you are, but you're younger than me. You've been raised in more of a techie world than, like, say, I have been. I don't know who your competitors are, but you guys have individual talents. You've grown up in a world that's a little more techie. So then you're going to take what already exists, and you're just going to amplify it, and you're going to bring new technology and new ideas and create new technology, which I think is amazing because you kind of build on that foundation that your mentors even are like, okay, try this, try this. And then you bring your new skills, new ideas, new energy to so that five years down the road, you might be developing something that there's no way we could even have fathomed what you have then created.

At that point, it just blows my mind. Yeah, I totally believe. I think it's just I get so blown away by just how many talented people there are and how many people are just so excited to create. And they grew up with this technology, so they have this head start. I think they just have this digital literacy to just understand things and just really make really cool things happen. It's been really cool to watch. Not even just our team, but just like, other people in the space do what they do.

Did you say digital literacy?

Yeah.

That's a new term to me, but I love it.

Yeah, I don't know if that makes sense, but just like, yeah, it totally makes sense.

I've never heard it because that's not my world. That's not my realm. Is that a term that is used?

Yeah, absolutely. I think it's just, like, sometimes the generational thing, sometimes it's just like an exposure thing or, like, where you grew up or country you're from. But digital literacy is just, like, how easy it is to pick up things, how confident you fill in it, how likely you are to turn to some of those digital solutions. It's definitely different for each people. But you're right. I would say probably more of, like, the Gen Z cohort and younger. Just because we grew up with it.

Yes.

It's easier for us to feel comfortable with it. Yeah.

So AI is a new thing for me, and I was just starting to kind of dig into it. I was actually looking at other programs, AI programs and websites and like, well, don't want to really pay for another thing I'm not super sure about. So then when you posted and I've started using Podflow and seeing everything that it can help with, I'm like, okay, this door is opening. That's amazing. So you talk about digital literacy, you're now a generation is growing up on AI. And so to see then in about five years, like I said, where that generation takes that knowledge and what they can do with it, it's pretty exciting to think about.

I think so too. And I'm not even, I guess, the most digitally literate person myself, right. But the amount of technology there is and just like consumer products that we can use to make our lives easier.

People will always use their talents for ill, right? Not everyone's going to use their talents for beautiful, wonderful, amazing things. And so we'll have to use some of our talents to combat those who have ill will or ill intentions and doing things. But it will be cool to see how that all develops. All right, well, any kind of final message that you want to leave for our listeners as they consider developing talents or taking those first steps of faith as they try to figure out what their talents are, right.

Not everybody has this, but if you have a solid support system of people who actually genuinely care about you and you, I think that's like the first step. And I don't know, you can't tell somebody to go get a best support system. Right. But I just think that makes everything so much easier if you do have people in your corner so that they can help you believe in yourself.

Yeah. And it can go back and forth, right. Because you need a little bit of confidence to reach out to someone and then that someone continues to help you build your confidence and buoy you. And then you're like, okay, well, I'm going to develop myself over here, and then reach out, just kind of ebbs and flows and goes back and forth as you grow and develop. Because confidence, that's one of my key things. I'm like, all right, I take a mother or a teacher and let's just kind of restore some confidence here. When you can trust yourself that you do have the answers and you can trust your gut, as we talked about previously, or inspiration or revelation, then you're going to move in a path that's best for you, your family, your kids, your community, and whatever that community is.

Thank you again to Kenzie for joining me this week. As we've talked about this new software that she and her team are developing, Podflow, some of the trials, some of the efforts that have gone into it, and also how she's had to rely on her faith to make it to this point to understand where she needs to be and to open those new doors. I'm grateful for the things that they're doing, how it's helped enhance my podcast editing process.

Right?

It's quite a show. But I'm grateful for people who do develop their talents in areas that I am unable to or have yet to delve into. So I want you, dear listener, to consider your own talents and what you can focus on this week to bring something new to market and what challenges might stand in the way and how you might need to step in to the darkness. Just a hair in order to do that. If you need any help, holler at me and we'll see you next weekend.