Ep. 17 Creating Joy with Jill Pack
I'm Lacey Jones, and this is Elevate the individual.
Episode 17 Creating Joy with Jill Pack one of my favorite things about being a coach right now is that I get to cross paths with some amazing people, whether they're my clients or fellow coaches or even classmates, as I have participated in different certifications. And so I recently sat down with a fellow classmate, Jill Pack, who has this beautiful coaching practice where the focus is on the different seasons of life and helping women of faith navigate those and really creating joy along the way in the different seasons.
And I felt that it was just so timely as we transition, maybe towards the tail end of fall into more brisk and wintry months. And you'll hear some of that in our conversation.
But I hope that you are able.
To sit back and relax or maybe create something while you listen to this conversation and see how it might apply in your life.
Enjoy. All right, well, I am so excited to welcome my new friend Jill onto the podcast today. Jill and I are in class together with Miss Jodi Moore. We are doing a certification course right now, and so that's how we've come to know each other. It's through the certification. And I am so excited to have Jill share her experiences with us because her focus is really seasons of change in our lives and finding that joy within each season. So I'm going to have Jill jump into kind of who she is and how she got to where she is today. And then we're going to have some questions and dialogue, and we're going to, I think, have a conversation with each other so that I can get all the spinning thoughts in my head out because I have just been really thinking how useful your coaching focus is for my clients and those who will be listening. Today we focus on mothers of children and students in the public education system and teachers as we go through some maybe hiccups in this new world of public education and helping moms and teachers work together. So, Jill, I'm going to let you go ahead and introduce yourself, and then we'll kind of dive in.
Okay?
I love it. I'm so excited to be here, Lacey. Thank you for having me. I'll tell you a little bit about myself. So I am going to be 54 in two weeks. I know. It's almost my birthday. I got to think of something fun to do. Anyway. I am a mother of five and a grandmother of two, which is the best thing ever. But I remember specifically, at a certain point in my life, my youngest was going into her senior year of high school, and my other kids had, for the most part, launched. They weren't living at home. And I really found myself in this new season of empty nesting, or on the verge of empty nesting, really wondering what my purpose was.
Yeah.
I really had served my family as a stay at home mom, for the most part for 28 years at that point, which I loved. I wouldn't change that. That's what I wanted to do.
Okay?
It was rewarding, but hard, right. All at the same time. But I really had kind of lost connection with myself. I began to wonder what my purpose was. I wondered what I even had to offer in this new season, this new phase. And that's when I found life coaching, okay? And I just started listening to a podcast, and it just kind of piqued my interest. And I just started implementing little things. And I remember one podcast specifically talking about this idea of a midlife crisis. And I remember thinking, that's where I am. That's what it feels like. And how they framed it was a midlife awakening.
Okay?
And it just got me so excited. And so instead of believing and this is what I really want to help women of my age see, is that life isn't over. Life is not over at 50.
Right?
And it's so fun to embrace the beauty of life and all the ups and downs that comes with it. And so it's just like, I have a new lease on life. Like, life is fun. And so I work with women of faith to help them create a life they love and teach them similar tools that you do. Lacey. And by using these tools in our life, we can create these joyful connections, no matter our season, no matter our circumstance, and we can create a life we love with intention and purpose. And that's me.
I love it.
Because what you're focusing on is kind of something that's becoming a new focus for me and my listeners, is this idea of elevating the individual, right? And so as you're going through this, I would say transition to a new season and wondering, is this a midlife crisis or is this a midlife awakening? And the personal work that needs to be done through the coaching that we use and the model that we use. And so I want to kind of dive in there. What was it that made you see it as an awakening? Or how was that different than a midlife crisis?
Yeah.
Well, I think I was in crisis because in the beginning, before I understood my I was creating my own reality.
By what I thought. Right.
I believed the people outside of me dictated my emotions and the life I had. So, for example, I have some that are married, and that's an interesting shift to go from having your little nucleus family, have them branch out and start marrying other people that were raised different, have different beliefs, different ways of thinking. Right. And so your world can be rocked a little bit. And there were some challenging times in the beginning with some of my in law children, okay. And I remember a time specifically when I was in crisis was they'd come over, I'd go to my room, and I would cry for a little bit because I just didn't know if I could do it. And then I would show up and try to pretend like I was fine, but I was acting weird and I was emotional. I wasn't able to embrace the beauty of where we were. I was in a place of wishing it was different and believing that everybody else was the cause of this. These new people into my family were causing me the problem. And so finding life coaching helped me realize, no, I'm the problem, not them. And that's what began the awakening. That's what began to shift the whole idea of it even being a crisis to, no, this is beautiful. We aren't always supposed to get along. We're supposed to figure out how to make this work. And so I think allowed me to waken up to what else was possible.
Oh, I love that. And that really is kind of what you're describing, is this concept that I teach on the podcast, and I'm sure you teach it with your clients, too, is emotional childhood where we look at our circumstance as the creator of the feelings within us, right?
Yeah.
But as you've had this awakening and realizing, hey, wait a minute, circumstance can be whatever it is, and I'm in control of my emotions, if at this point I want to be sad, then so be it. That's AOkay for me to experience, to feel, but circumstance can be what it is. And if I want to feel joy, then that's a power that lies within me and choosing the story I create about that circumstance. And that's the emotional adulthood that I think we both seek to teach our clients and to lead them and guide them to that place. And with this as you kind of transition from this midlife crisis to midlife awakening, something that I thought of as we change seasons. And I was driving today, and I actually took kind of the back roads home from an appointment earlier instead of the freeway, and it allowed me to notice the trees. I live in a very tree filled area of Seattle, and I noticed the leaves just changing.
Right.
We've got the golds, the reds, oranges, and the greens. There's a lot going on. There is this beautiful transition as we change to the winter season, which around here is kind of ugly, right. Until the snow falls and covers everything, then it's beautiful. But this transition is beautiful. And then we get to a new chapter that maybe is ugly for a little bit. And so how can you speak to the transitions that we experience that aren't always beautiful, that are sometimes painful?
Yeah, so I think that in the example I gave earlier, right. It was this change of season was a transition in my life where I went from stay at home mom with my kids under my roof to this transition of them creating their own families.
Right.
And there were some growing pains as part of it, but what I came to understand was the resistance of this change is what was making me miserable.
Right.
Like, I'll always love that my kids were my kids and grew up and we have such fun memories and it was a beautiful season of my life, and so I can hang on to that without resisting the change that's happening. I think for me, once I opened up to like, no, this is beautiful, this is the next season. And I had to navigate this new season by allowing the emotions that come with it without the resistance. And I think for me, it's like if we are going into a winter per se, literally, we can reflect on the beauty of the experiences that we had that have brought us to this new season, that allow us to maybe we focus inward, maybe we do things that help prepare us for the next season. And that's really what I did in the thick of this hard. I had to go in Word and really take care of myself just as far as understanding what the root cause was and letting myself feel things, like just really taking the time to care for me in those moments. Because the thing that comes after winter is spring.
Yeah.
And I think that's the beauty that we see every day is this change of season really is beautiful. It's the process. The winters are what makes spring so beautiful.
Yes. Okay.
And I was listening to your podcast, Seasons of Joy, right?
Yes.
So Seasons of Joy, and I was listening to the episode. Oh, I'm going to totally get it wrong. And you can oh, good. The book that you've read four times.
Oh, yes. It's called Original Grace. So I did what is needed is what it was called, what is needed.
So I was listening to that episode and a question that came up for me, and I think you kind of covered it, but let's talk a little more about it. Is what is the role of suffering or the struggle during this time of transition? So why can't we just go from fall to winter to spring? Why does there have to be this moment of transition?
Yeah, I've been thinking about that book still. It just was so powerful to me. And I think that it's because the struggle is what makes us beautiful. The struggle is what helps us grow and refine and become. And in my faith, I know that for me, my belief is that we've come to Earth to struggle. Honestly, there's not necessarily purpose in struggle. It's because we've chosen to come down and have a body and it's just part of this human nature. This experience is to have a body which comes the struggle. But if we allow God or a higher power, whatever, to refine that suffering, to grow that suffering, to amplify the lessons in the suffering, then that's where the beauty is, the beauty from the ashes. Recently in the Old Testament, we heard that, and I often will talk about the word joy. And I specifically pick joy in my podcast and in the things I talk about, because I think joy is more than just being really super happy.
Okay, expand on that.
What is it?
Okay. For me, joy is the contrast. We've got the struggle, and we got the other side of the struggle. And the other side of the struggle is where the joy can be found, right? If we don't have this contrast, if we don't have this crisis and awakening, even that contrast that I went through on the other side of that was joy, because it feels so good. And I've said this before to people. If we're meant to come to Earth, what I believe is we return back home to our heavenly home, right? If the goal was to just return home, why'd we ever leave? Why'd we leave?
Why'd we have this middle, why do.
We have it must have something more. And I think it's the contrast. It is the struggle. It's when we fall down. It's when we have pain, when our kids are leaving or choosing differently. Those are really painful things. But as we learn to manage ourself and really show up in love, because at the end of the day, that is what is needed. More love, not less. And we've really learned to love as the savior loved. That is joy, because we've experienced the.
Hard I don't know if that answers your question.
Yes.
And it leads me to another thought that I had, because earlier you talked about this resistance to change, right? And so in your explanation there, you talked about acceptance, right? As we move through it and how that can help move us through it. But let's talk about resistance and what happens when we resist change or we resist a new circumstance, or we resist what we're feeling within that change. Can you speak to that?
Yeah, I think that that's where I was for a long time was in this resistance because my older kids have chosen a different way to live. And for a long time, I was really resistant to that.
Okay.
I believed that if they could just see if I could say the right thing or if they would just listen to me, right, all these things, if they would just do what I said, we would all be happy. But because it wasn't happening, I was resisting it. And it actually not only was I frustrated, but then I layered on the self pity, the shame, because then it's quick to go, well, if I was a better mother, then this wouldn't have happened. This would be different. They would be choosing things that were more in line with what I taught them growing up.
Right.
And so this resisting of what is just kept me into this resistance, which didn't allow me to love them like I want to. It didn't allow me to be fully present and just see the good that they are, the good that they're doing. I was putting a wedge between us because of what I thought they needed to do. Now, it is that idea of, like, do I wish they believed some things I did 100%, and I always will, but it's not going to dictate. And again, it goes back to that emotional childhood. But my resistance to their choices and the things they were doing didn't allow me to love. And I think at the end of the day, that's the goal here is to love more.
Yes.
And you and I were talking a little bit before this about a concept that we talked about in class today about gaslighting. Right. And I kind of want to go there just a little bit. And my question to you earlier was how do we allow the truth of what is happening, the choices people are making, without making it the focus of our lives? If that truth and that focus is not serving us, if it's not creating well, if we're having a hard time creating love within that, how do we allow it to just be without focusing on yeah, I love that, Lacey.
I think that's such a good thing to touch on because a lot of my clients, I feel like this is something I come to eventually in my coaching know, we may flesh out something that they're feeling and it has been consuming and they think they have to be stuck there.
Right.
It's that idea of all or nothing, and it's somewhere in the middle, actually. But when we can open up to where we yeah, but then invite something else in at the same and Natalie Clay explained this really well to me, and I wish I could do it as well as she did, but it's this idea of holding two emotions at the same. We are we are like diverse and complex beings. We can do amazing things. We can actually hold multiple emotions at once, which is really fascinating if you think about it. But just in the case with my kids in that similar circumstance, I don't want to be consumed with the choices they're making. I don't want to go around, but I was, and I would cry about it all the time, and it filtered into any interaction or anything I did. And finally I was like, I can't do this anymore. Okay, what else do I want instead? And I decided was curiosity. This is how I can allow for two things at once. I think curiosity is a powerful tool. And so whenever I feel myself slipping into that focus of where I don't want to focus because, again, it goes back to what we talked about before. What is it just is there's things we can't change? We are shifting into this new season if we will allow it. So now I have a verbal clue that I say or I think it, but a lot of times it's out loud. Okay, I will say that's interesting. And so I can invite curiosity. Even amongst the sad, even amongst the frustration.
Right.
I'm still going to hold it a little bit. I can't believe they said that.
Right.
That's interesting.
Yeah.
And it's a verbal clue or a mentally verbal clue to go to curiosity. And I do it so much now that it's my reflex. It's just automatic. I just think, wow, that was interesting, and it's just reminding me, no, we're not going to the frustration.
Okay.
We're not going to the self pity. And see, I think this is a really powerful tool when it's something that we struggle with repeatedly.
Yes. Right.
We're going to feel frustrated in a situation maybe that we've never experienced before, and we're like, okay, this is frustrated. I'm frustrated.
Right.
But I found myself in a loop.
Okay.
A continual loop. And that's why I think I could see what I do ahead of time. Okay. These things happen for me. How can I embrace something different while recognizing that I felt frustrated? But it changes my focus on the big thing.
Yes.
And it's kind of that dichotomy of emotions, right, of, like, holding space for two opposite things to exist at the same time. And what we're trying to do is we're trying to empower ourselves, really, and no longer place ourselves as the victim of our circumstance. And so what I want to do, if you'll go with me on this, it's a little bit different than maybe your normal clientele or the clients you work with. But I have started to work with teachers.
Right.
I've had this strong i, like pounding the pulpit over here, right. I've had this strong just kind of voice just nagging at me that I want to provide resources and help and relief for our public education system and the teachers within it. And so if we apply all of this to our dear, sweet teachers and the things that they are experiencing right now, there's this higher rate of burnout among teachers, and a new term is silent quitting, where you show up, you do the bare minimum, you go home.
Right.
And how effective is that and.
How.
Effective is it for teaching? But also, who wants to feel like to me, that just seems so not fulfilling as a person and my individual needs. Right. I don't want to go overboard and put in a ton of hours more than I need to, but I want to feel fulfilled within my job.
And I think that's interesting because think it really is an example of all.
Or nothing thinking, yeah, right.
It's this idea I've got to put 120% in or five.
Yes.
It's like, oh, I'm not getting what I want, so I'm going to give this it's this or this doesn't have to be this or this in the middle.
Yes. Right. Okay.
And so you talked about curiosity, which is a beautiful emotion. When I'm working with clients who will come to me typically because they're feeling some sort of negative emotion that they don't want to feel anymore or they don't know how to get out of, you talked about being in the loop, right. This repetitive loop. So I would venture to say there's a lot of frustration within the public education system right now, and there is some love and respect out there. Some teachers have found it.
Right.
But I want to be able to help teachers that are stuck in the loop of frustration when they are allowing the truth of what's happening. State mandates and funding and lack of funding and regulations and testing and allowing. Those circumstances to be without creating kind of that dirty pain on top of it and adding in the extra frustration and just feeling that.
Okay.
Yeah, these things are here. But if we're going to advocate for change, we've got to get rid of these emotions that aren't serving us, that are keeping us stuck. So what would you maybe recommend for a teacher who is frustrated with the system, who is frustrated with the demands that are placed on them with a lack of resources? So to give you kind of a more specific circumstance, because sometimes we'll do that when coaching to get a little more precise on our model that we use. I've become a substitute teacher for our school district and go in a couple of times a month is my goal there. Recently, I went in and I was covering one class, but the class across the hall, they didn't have a sub for that class, and so they had to pull teachers from four or five other classes during their prep time to cover the class because there wasn't someone to stay the whole time.
So this, to me adds I guess.
This is my thought, right? This adds a burden to those teachers that instead of having a prep time, they're now working on another classroom.
Right.
They're working in that system, and the kids themselves have now had four or five teachers during their one school day. And how is that creating a positive learning environment for them? Okay, so here's kind of our circumstance, right? We've got teachers covering and being asked to do more than is required, maybe in their contract. So this is the circumstance, but how do we elevate the individual teacher within those circumstance? How do we clean out the dirty pain so that we allow the truth to be what it is without sinking them?
Yeah.
I think beginning you have to go, what's my why? I think before we ever solve for a problem we got to understand why we're there in the first place.
Okay? Right.
Why is a teacher teaching? Do they like teaching? Do they want to stay teaching?
Right.
Then you have to solve for that first. Right. And let's say they've said, yeah, I came into this profession to give back. I believe in teaching, I believe in the public education. I'm all in. I don't like this. Okay, so once we understand this is where they want to be, then we coach around that.
That's such a good point, because.
If.
They don't want to be there, but we're trying to convince them that they need to be there and they need to be happy about it, that's not going to end well.
No. They're just going to be miserable.
Yes.
So we're talking about a teacher who wants to be there.
Yeah.
If this teacher has decided, this is what I want to do, I want to make a difference, I don't like the things that are occurring.
Right.
But I'm here for the long haul, then we can coach around that.
Yes. Okay.
I love it. If they haven't decided what their why is, they're never going to be able to find a solution to what's really causing them a problem.
Yes.
So if they've decided that that's really where they want to be, then you want to start looking at some of the thoughts that you have. And as you were telling me this, some of the words that stood out was like, burden. They've been asked to do more.
Right.
Those are all thoughts if we go into this situation, and I'm not saying they're not true, amen be 100% true.
Right? Yes.
But they are still a thought because everybody's interpretation is different around that thing.
Right.
And so if they have thoughts that have any negative connotation to it that's going to show up in their teaching experience, they're going to have a terrible teaching experience in my information.
Sorry, I'm totally jumping in because I'm like light bulbs and everything, right? Because we have this model, right? We have the circumstance, thought, feeling, action result model that I share with my clients and listeners of the podcast. Right. So we have the circumstance. Let's say a teacher has been asked to cover in this classroom. Like, that's our circumstance. And if the thought becomes, oh, my gosh, this is more than my contract says, this is beyond my contract, this is a burden to me. That feels weighty. Now it also feels true that yeah. It is outside of the scope of the contract. I haven't looked at a particular contract for a long time for teaching. But we could look in there and we could decide if it's a circumstance or a fact or if it's just a thought. But when we start to add weight is by saying, this is a burden.
Right.
This is a burden on me.
Yeah.
And it might be, but can we feel the weight that it adds to us? And do we want to walk into that classroom already weighed down? I talk on my podcast about this 200 pound tractor tire. Like, do we already want that on our back when we've got to go in and help 25 students manage their own emotions? Or do we want to be able to walk in with our shoulders up and with a confident posture, really emotionally and physically? And so this is again, allowing the truth without making it the focus of our lives. And so how do we empower the teacher to say toodleoose 200 pound tight?
I think that it's important to really take advantage of the word and.
Yes.
Okay, tell me more.
So we may have a thought like, I believe this is too much to ask of me or this is outside of my contract. Right, that's a thought we have.
Yeah, okay. And what I'm going to do it.
Anyway, I can only do this much or do you know what I mean? It allows for options. When we just end at this is out of my contract, we've blocked any ability to create a solution. We've blocked any opportunity to be curious.
Yes. Right.
And so it's inviting an and so maybe it's this seems out of the scope of my contract and I'm open to figure out how to make this work.
Yeah, I just wrote down notes on that.
That's good for me and the school. Like, how do I show love to everyone in the story? Because maybe it is saying no sometimes.
Right.
It's this idea that we have to do anything. And I think that's different than the silent quitting.
Right.
There's a quitting of what's within my scope, my ability, what feels in align with who I want to be instead of I'm just giving up.
Right, yeah.
There's two kinds of quitting here. But I think if we can embrace the and, okay, here's what I feel like is my reality and I'm going.
To here's what I'm going to do about it.
Or try something. I'm going to experiment, I'm going to come up with a solution.
Right.
But right now, we're like, this is out of my scope. I don't know what to do. We're not going to figure out us, we aren't going to know what to do, and we're just going to stay in that. That's where the burnout out comes, is being stuck in a loop.
Okay.
That's when we're burned out.
Yes.
And I love how you said by using the word and, it allows for options.
Right.
It can kick in the brain to say, okay, this is the reality and here's what I'm going to do.
Right.
Because I really firmly believe that if we're to create change within this public education system, which seems to be in a season of distress, if we look at the public education and the seasons that it has gone through, it's in a season. Of distress.
Right.
So if we're going to pull out of this and transition to a new chapter, I really firmly believe that the answer is within I believe that it's individual teachers and educators and administration. Right. I want to start by elevating that individual teacher. And I believe that what you just said, by using the word and it does allow for options. It allows for that teacher to use their individual talents and to kick into gear right.
Well and to focus on what they have control over. There's things that they just don't have control over.
Budget.
Amen.
Right. Amen over the budget. They don't have control over workout like the work hours at the school.
Correct.
They don't have control over the number of AIDS they have, I would think they don't. They don't have control over the number of parents that will volunteer.
Correct.
All of those things are outside of themselves. And so you do have to go, okay, this is the situation. Now what? Yes, now what? Because we're not going to find a solution from frustration, but we also have to allow for the frustration, not be mad at ourselves that we're frustrated or that we're feeling burnt out or any of those things.
Right.
Of course we feel those things. Of course they feel those things.
Yes.
They are valid feelings, 100%. But are they getting them the results that they want? Meaning they're leaving work, feeling they did the best they could.
And that was.
All they have control over?
Yeah.
They can't control whether the kids learn a thing honestly. They just control the kind of teacher they want to be in those situations.
Yeah.
What do they need to do, believe, think, feel to be that teacher that they want to be, which kind of.
Goes back to their why.
Right.
So why are you in this profession? And then what type of teacher do you want to be, given these circumstances? What type of teacher do you want to be? For your own health. Right?
Yes.
You want to show up for the kids, but let's look at you first, because as we elevate that individual teacher, they're going to have a certain effect on their classroom.
Right.
And we talk about this with mothers, too, that when a mother can come to a place of confidence and really clean emotional health, I feel like they can lead their family in a certain way that then helps to launch their family into society in a healthier version.
Yeah.
And as you say that, I reflect on my own experience. Again, different situation, similar things. As far as emotions go, once I change, I didn't change anyone in my family. I didn't change a single person. But I would say my relationships with each one of them are better because I let go of the things I couldn't control, and I got curious. And I think the same goes with a teacher in this situation. Right. When we can just focus on who do I want to be? How do I want to feel at the end of the day when I head home? How do I want to feel about how I showed up that day?
Yeah.
And just focus on that. The ripple effect of that decision to live with intention is very far reaching, I think.
Yes. Right.
The ripple effect, that's what we're really talking about. By elevating that individual, we create this ripple effect out into society that then can even go further to changing the public education system, to finding the little holes in the system that need improvement. And so I wanted to just make sure that we honor that. It is okay to be frustrated. It is okay to be downtrodden. Right. It is okay to feel like we are stuck in the mud and at times hopeless.
Right.
But that's where this coaching comes in. That's where we use the model. That's where we process these emotions. We figure out where they're coming from. We take responsibility for our own emotions.
Right.
And not blaming others for that piece to the puzzle. And sometimes it can sound all sunshine and rainbows and fictitious, but it's real and it's powerful work that, when applied, can really change individuals and groups for the well.
When we settle in and we become self reflective in situations like this and we take those little steps in creating change for ourselves, on the other side of that is joy. That is the purpose for this trial in the first place, is to experience joy on the other side, no matter what happens.
Amen.
Right.
It's to experience joy on the other side or in the moment, really? Like, we can experience in the middle of it. But I think that contrast realizing, like, oh, this is the part of being a public teacher that sucks.
Amen. Okay.
This is that part.
Right.
It's the 50 50. This is part of the whole experience.
Yeah.
So I don't know if that yeah, I like it.
And as I've been kind of I feel like I'm taking a stance right. The stance of we can change from within, that we have the resources within the system to change the system. And it's interesting to hear feedback from others and saying, well, teachers can't do anything. They're so limited by the regulations. They're so limited by this, they're so limited by that. And I want to push back because.
Even that word limited right. That has a negative connotation.
Connotation. Right. Stops you dead in your tracks.
Right.
Yeah. Let's try to get rid of that thought. Okay. Here's the regulations or the rules or whatever.
Okay.
What are my thoughts about it? If I'm believing I'm limited, am I limiting my influence and the experience I have?
Yes.
Because what if you're the person that can dig into that and advocate for the change in that small area.
Right. Okay.
And if you approach a conversation from a place of being limited. I don't know that you'll be as heard as if you show up from a place of believing there are solutions and answers and that there really are no limits to what's possible. You bring a different energy to the conversation when you don't have a belief, like you're limited.
Yes.
Okay, so that goes back to the work that you've done personally, right from your midlife sorry, I had, like, a total brain moment there. Right from this moment of this midlife crisis right to this midlife awakening.
Yes.
And the work that you've done there and not limiting yourself.
I'm just getting started.
Yes.
Having so much fun. And I think that when we limit ourselves by believing we're limited.
Yeah.
We just hold ourselves back. And once I embrace this idea of like, no, it's a new season, challenges in every season, and I get to choose who I want to be in every season, whether it's spring, winter, summer, or fall.
Yes.
The only thing that's constant is me and who I want to be. That's the only thing that I have control over. But it can be so fun. It can be so fun. Yes.
And I love that your goal is to create this more joyful life.
Right.
I love that you've picked that word, joyful. All right, let's go for any last thoughts that you have and let's circle it back to the moms right. Whose seasons are changing also. And one last piece of advice would you give to the moms out there whose seasons are changing?
Yeah.
I would say that just embrace what comes. Like, don't resist the change. Because the thing that I have learned is there's beauty in every season.
Right.
I think when we have young kids, we kind of wish for the next season. Not going to lie. Or we have teenagers and we're wishing for new seasons until we get to where I'm like, no, not that season. I don't want that season. We just need to embrace the season we're in. Just love every season you're in. That doesn't mean you love everything about it.
Right.
But love the season and what you can learn in that season. Don't wish a season away. Don't long for a different season. Just be in the season and know that it is beautiful there in all the mess. It's going to be messy and messy beautiful, which is what makes it so fun. So I would just embrace the season.
You'Re in and just go for it.
How can this season be more fun? How can this season be more joyful?
More joyful?
Even your circumstance, no matter your circumstance, how can you make it more joyful? What can you do?
Okay.
And those are great questions because I can just hear people as they're listening and being like, I don't even know how to do that. I don't know how to start. That sounds so hokey. I just can't even grasp it. And so if people want to work with you and work with navigating the seasons that they're in or these changing seasons, where can they go to contact you and find you?
You thank they can go to WW dot seasonscoaching.com.
Okay.
And if you go there, there's some free things on there. There's a course I have called the Pause Principle that I think that is a really good place to start as you are navigating Seasons because it's learning how to process emotion, pondering what it is you really want in your life, and then protecting the things that matter to you. Sometimes it's saying yes, and sometimes it's saying no, and in the course, I kind of flip that on its head a little bit. But there's some free things on there. I'm on Instagram. Seasons Coaching and Facebook is Seasons Life coaching. I wish they were the same, but someone stole it.
But that's okay, right? We're just going to cover all the we'll put I'll put all those links in the show notes so people can really easily click on them. But, Jill, I just wanted to thank you because I love taking the work that you're doing and then seeing how we can mesh it with the work that I'm hoping to do. Because we both teach from this model of the Ctfar model, and it has brought power and change, I think, to both of us and to our so.
And it really is lacey, I love how you have elevate the individual, because no matter our niche right, there's so many niches out there. At the end of the day, it's elevating the individual because that's the only person we have control over. That's the only place we can create change is within ourselves. So I love that that's part of your idol.
Thank you. That name has just been given birth right to all of this. It took a couple of episodes to figure it out, but I'm glad that.
Part of the process.
Amen.
Amen.
All right, Jill. Well, thank you so much. It's been awesome, and I'm looking forward to having my listeners head your way to your resources there. So thank you.
Yep. It's been a pleasure.
