Ep. 21 A Mother’s Influence with Lyndee Walker

I'm Lacey Jones with Elevate the Individual. This is episode 21 a Mother's Influence with special guest Lyndee Walker. A couple of months ago, I made a really quick pit stop at my parents house in Idaho on my way to a coach conference up in Spokane, Washington. And it's been an interesting year for my parents and my siblings. And so for a while, I'd really been wanting to go home and spend time with my parents, but due to some health concerns, we were all just kind of doing our best to keep our germs to ourselves.

Well, this little sliver of an opportunity presented itself and I decided to schedule my trip so that I could stop at my parents for the night, have dinner and then attend church with them the next day and then continue to my conference in Spokane. And I was so excited to go see them, but it wasn't until I was actually there that I realized how much I needed this visit. It was the first time I had ever stayed at my parents without my kids or my husband, and it was a totally different experience, not worrying about everyone else's emotions and their experience and being in someone else's space with so many people.

I really didn't have a care in the world. It was fabulous. And I highly recommend doing this at least like once a year or something. But one of my brothers was also in town that day and so he stopped by for dinner and then my mom showed us her garden and we had a nice visit on the deck.

As we caught up and solved all the world's problems and just enjoyed each other's company. As we attended church that next day, I was able to say quick hellos and give and receive so many hugs and kind words from some of the most genuine people who have helped shape who I am today. Now these are friends and family members who've supported me during my teenage years and into my early growing family years as my husband attended the University of Idaho there when we were first married and having babies and growing our family. So these are dear friends and they're part of a foundation as to who I am today. As church started, my mom was playing the organ during sacrament meetings, so she sat up front and my dad and I sat in the back of the chapel and I just kept noticing more and more people who had had positive influences on my life.

I saw the previous youth leaders as they came to say hello, and friends who quickly waved at me or gave me a hug or sat down next to me or visited with me as we were walking to the next meeting and again offering so much love, so much support as we caught up.

But after sacrament meeting and I finally made my way to Relief Society, where the adult women of our congregation had gathered for their meeting. I walked into another collection of solid, down to earth, strong women who are striving to support and serve each other. And I really appreciate how the teacher that day, how she had formatted her lesson, because I enjoyed hearing from these other women as they shared their thoughts and their testimonies.

And as I was getting ready to leave visiting with more people, I shared a really quick conversation with today's guest, Lyndee Walker. And as we quickly caught up on each other's lives, I didn't realize it at the time, but that conversation planted a seed within me, and it really redirected my course. Lindy is a full time mom of three. She's a part time lash artist and part time substitute teacher living in the Pacific Northwest. And when COVID-19 shut down schools, she closed her doors for lash clients and then became a full time teacher to her pre k second and fifth grade children.

So after those kids returned back to school, she returned to her clients. But with a shortage of substitutes at the schools, she found herself being called to help the teachers in schools. So from music teacher and fourth grade teacher in the elementary school to health and art teachers in the middle school, she just wants to help lift the load where she can.

So we're going to jump into a conversation that Lyndee and I had for this podcast a couple days ago, and I want to make sure that you listen through to the end of that conversation because there's this little nugget of information that Lindy shared with me that I wasn't aware of. And it's a beautiful moment of seeing yet again how life can come full circle. So we'll jump in now as Lindy gives us the scoop on who she is and what she's been up to.

So I started Subbing last year at the beginning of the school year just because they were so hard up for subs and I was available and I wanted to be able to keep the kids in school because they were kind of at that point that if they didn't have enough subs, then they were going to have to take a break to allow because of sicknesses and stuff. And so I just jumped in, and I subbed a lot last year. I haven't subbed as much this year, just there hasn't been as much been need, but I'm still in there two or three times a week.

Okay, so that's more than I guess I was expecting. But like last year, how much were you subbing?

Like three to five days a week.

Okay.

They were pretty desperate last year. I don't want to say desperate, but they really needed people to help. And so if I was available, I was down there.

Okay, and is that for your whole district?

Yeah, on our school district site for substitutes, you can go in and you can even set parameters of what schools you want to teach in or specific classes or times you're available. If you need days off, you can set all of that in there. And so I set mine at my kids elementary school because it's right across the street, so it's easy. And then at the middle school, that keeps me busy enough.

Okay. Just with those two.

Yeah.

Okay.

So I'm sure if I opened up and did all of them, there would be it would be going off nonstop, because right now, my little app goes off probably six times a day looking for subs.

Just out of curiosity, is it yes. Yes. Okay. So we use the same system then. And with that, you've kind of limited or set your boundaries as to, here's what I want, here's what works for me. Now, you said something that I had to smile at. You said I was available. But Lindy, you have several have. Tell me everything that you have on your plate.

So I work from home. I do lash extensions from home.

Okay.

But I can kind of move those around and schedule those where I need to when there is a big need. I just moved my clients to after school, or if I was only working in the afternoon at the school, I would work in the morning. We also breed our golden I was.

Going to say there's more to this here. Yes.

And so we have had two litters of puppies in that time. The first one, they were born last February, went home in the end of March, and then we just had another litter, born in August, like, a couple of days before school started, and they went home in October.

Okay.

During those times, I haven't been as available. I can go work a couple of hours here and there, and sometimes that's all they need. Sometimes they just need somebody to be on recess duty, and so I can run down there and help out. But now that the puppies are gone, they know my name, they know my number.

Yes, exactly. Okay. So it's not like you were just sitting around twiddling your thumbs.

No.

When you say that you were available, you actually have to make yourself available. Okay.

Sometimes. And there was days that I didn't have anything going on, but not anything. I'm still a mom and running a household, and so there's always things to do. But keeping our kids in school and making sure that they are getting the attention and the love and the teaching that they need is far more important than running to the bank.

Right.

Then that's my question is what's your why? Why did you say, okay, I'm going to do this? Someone else could very well do it or not do it. They could very well combine classes and put 40 kids in one class and have that teacher say, good luck.

Good luck.

Yeah. So why did you feel the personal pull to rearrange your work schedule, your life, your obligations to help in this way.

Yeah, I think my brain just goes back to 2020 lockdown and how hard it was and how I think every single parent was like, our teachers are underappreciated. And so it started with that. Our teachers went through all of that. They've been through so much, and they still were there to love and support our kids. How can I help serve them? So that's how it kind of started for me. And then I got into the school and I made connections with those kids, and especially at the elementary, that's where my heart is, I think those kids come up and they give you a hug and they're like, I love you. And you're like, I love you too. What's your name?

Yes.

For that smile and that love and attention, that's all they want. And they instantly love you and want to be your best friend. So once you get into the school, I think that took on like a whole nother wife for me. It's to be there for those kids.

Okay. And something you said, it was so interesting because we got to visit a couple of months ago in Moscow just so fast. And something in that conversation when I asked you about subbing, you had said, hey, I want my kids in school. What's going to happen if we don't have subs? And it was so interesting because a couple of months later, here I was, having said I would never sub in a school. Oh, my gosh, Lindy, you're amazing. I would never do that. I can't believe you do that. And then I was all of a sudden looking at this option and a very real option, saying, no, this is something that I need to do. I need to be there.

Yeah.

Kind of an interesting process to go through and realizing, hey, wait, this is actually something that I can do and I can serve in this way.

Right.

And honestly, working at the school, you're not going to become a millionaire, right? Like, you're not in it for the money. You're in it because your heart's in it. And so when I go, they'll be like, are you okay picking up an extra hour or something? And I'm like, I'm fine. I'm here. Wherever you need to put me, I'll go and do whatever you need. I'm just here to help.

Yes.

I think it started in 2020, kind of when we were all stuck at home and it kind of clicked. Teachers do so much, but yeah, just, I mean, being there and helping out in any capacity, whether it's subbing a class, subbing one of the not electives, but like the music, that kind of thing, those are big deals. Even being an office aide or a recess duty, they need every single person there. And so when they're down a person, it puts a lot more stress on the entire school?

Yes. Okay. What's interesting is sometimes people will specialize and say, oh, I'm a music teacher, or I'm a second grade teacher. A substitute can very easily do that as well. However, what you've experienced kind of what I've experienced is, okay, well, they need a 6th grade teacher today, or they need help over here in this preschool class today. Those are two wildly different classroom environments. So what do you need to do personally to manage your thought process, your mental health, to be able to just jump in where needed?

I think you have to be very open minded. It's very scary to go in there. I know that I felt very overwhelmed and unprepared to go in and help, and I started just being like a paraprofessional, which just kind of helps move around, and you do a lot of different things. And I was scared to death to try that. And I did it, and it was so fun, and I loved it. And then they asked me to be a music teacher, and I was like, I can't do that. I don't know how to do that. I've only been this, but I was like, let's try it. And I tried it, and I loved it. And every position and I think I've done them all now. Every position. You just have to be very open minded and going in with the idea that you're here to serve the kids and kind of put any doubt or fears aside and push through, and you'll absolutely love it. The kids make it so worth it.

Yes. Okay, so what you're ultimately saying is, in relation to the coaching that I teach, is that our doubts and our fears are kind of caused by this thought process of, oh, my gosh, what am I doing? And how can I do this? Just saying, okay, thanks, brain. I appreciate what you're doing. You're trying to keep me safe and protect me, but this is actually something I want to do, and I want to figure this out, and I want to be there to serve the kids. And so kind of quickly jumping over to, all right, that process isn't getting me where I need it to be. I need to be over here. So I'm going to rework how I think about this situation, which I think is vital for anyone who's stepping into a substitute teaching position. Because think about it, if you show up from an attitude of service, how is that going to impact how you treat the kids, right? Compared to showing up and saying, oh, what did I just get myself into? Right? Like, I have no idea. For me, I've subbed in a high school classroom. I said I would never ever well, let me tell you a couple of things I said I would never do. I would never sub for one. And then I would never sub in middle school and high school, and I would never sub outside of my children's schools that I'm not familiar with, but I have. And I accepted a high school position because it was a family and consumer science class. And I'm like, all right, I think this is a subject that I can share. Yes. And it was so fun, and I learned a lot, and I was intimidated by some of those high school mean girls. Right. But the process that you learn by overcoming those fears is awesome. Yes. Okay, so when you signed up for doing this, another question was, did you have a resume? Did you have a resume cover letter? When was the last time you worked outside of the home? This is employment. Yeah.

So I went down to the district office. Well, first I had to make my resume, which it was really dusty. Like, I had to completely redo it because I've worked for myself, or I have worked for a preschool in the past when my husband was in school, and we had a little one in preschool, I was volunteering so much there that they just roped me in, and I ended up working there. But I don't think I had a resume for that. So it's been, like, pre kids, and my oldest is 13 since I've had to dust off my resume. So I had to fill that out. There was no cover letter or anything, but I submitted that, and then I had to go down to the school district for fingerprinting for the background check and just to talk to them, talk to the superintendent for a quick minute and wait.

Push, pause. Right?

Yeah.

Have you ever met the superintendent before?

Not in person. I've done a lot of the school district meetings, but over zoom, and I might have seen him in person, but I had never and he was the nicest guy ever and just so incredibly grateful that I was there. He just kept saying, thank you, thank you, thank you. So for me, I was like, I didn't feel like it was that big of a deal, but for the people that you're serving, it is a very big deal.

Okay, so you now have this new experience right. To go from dusting off the resume to talking to the man in charge of the school district.

Yeah.

So go to your first day of subbing. Do you remember that first day? Yeah. Okay, let's dig into that day. How did you prepare? What did you feel? Did you just jump in and here we go, or tell me about that day.

I think I probably stressed a lot, a lot more than needed.

Okay.

And then I just went in, I mean, probably really nervous, but excited to be there and just kind of do whatever they told me. And I was a paraprofessional that first day, and everyone was so kind and helped me know exactly what to do. They gave me a self form that kind of gave me a schedule of what I would be doing and when, but there were so many people around that would just check on me. How you doing? Do you need anything? Thank you for being here. That it just made it so easy to be there. And the kids were so excited for me to be there and so excited to learn my name that that fear went away really fast.

Now. Is this at McDonald? Yes. I haven't mentioned this, but Lindy is subbing at my school where I attended. It's my heart and soul besides my elementary school that my kids go to right now. It's a beautiful school and the people are so genuine. And what I think you'll find is you glommed on to your school that your kids are attending right. And in your neighborhood, it's your community. Right?

Yes.

And that's kind of one thing that I want to stress is just imagine if each school had five to ten subs within their little community in their neighborhood, that they could say, hey, we need help today. Can you come in? What impact do you think we'd see if each school had that?

I mean, just the stress when you walk into the office and you see them moving around so fast in the morning when you're checking in, they're stressed trying to find so many sub positions that I know that it. Would just make everyone, all of the teachers and staff their day just go so much smoother if they had a sheet of paper that they can say, hey, let's text this out and see who can fill this position before it ever even has to hit the app that they use to send out for stuff. And a lot of times they'll do, I'll get an email or a text. If teachers plan a vacation, I'll get an email from that teacher months ahead because they know me and they know that I'll do it and that I'll have fun doing it. And so I'll get that. And then sometimes it's the 06:00 morning call saying, can you be here at seven?

Oh, yes.

But I think it would just make it go so much smoother if they just had a list of people that they set would know. These people we can count on. We know they'll be here and they'll take care of the kids.

Yeah. And I think you mentioned before, you don't have to be available every day. You can set your schedule and you can say, no, thank you. Right?

Yeah. It's really hard. It is.

Especially when you get a personal text saying, please, oh my gosh, please. There was one day where I was kind of trying to figure out coaching and subbing and the balance of life and kids and all of this, and I just suddenly realized what a beautiful option it is that I can say, hey, this week I can come in for two days and help or this week. You know what? I've rearranged some things. I can do four days if you need me. What other job or employment where you can voluntarily say, hey, I'm not going to show up this week or maybe next week, but I'll show up for one day the following week and you're still going to pay me and you're still going to thank me for doing it.

Yeah, it's true. I got asked earlier this week if I would sub for three days and I said I could sub for two. So I subbed yesterday and tomorrow as a fifth grade teacher, but I couldn't do Friday. And I probably could have switched things around, but it was just going to put too much stress on the whole day. And so I just said I can't do that day, but I would happily pick up the other two days. So it was thank you so much.

Yes. Now with subbing and being in schools, we touched on this a couple of weeks back with a podcast episode that I did about a lockdown drill. So with Being in schools, you're going to face some potential security issues, potential behavior issues of children right. And adults alike. Not just the children, but how do you kind of process that? It's not all just sunshine and rainbows walking into this situation.

Yeah, so there's not a lot of training that you have to go do. There is like in every sub manual, it tells me what the lockdown protocols and stuff are. So you kind of just have to take a minute when the kids are at recess or at lunch or whatever to read through that on your own. So that's kind of scary. However our kids go through like they do it, it would be really nice for us to know what they're going through and how to help keep them calm and stuff that way, so it's not too overwhelming. I have been in a school before, not in Moscow, but when we lived in Mississippi. We were in a lockdown situation and just watching how the teachers handled it and we just sat on the carpet and she was so calm and the kids were so calm that, yeah, I think that's a little intimidating. But if the kids can do it, then we can do know it's not.

If we're this is something that I had to think about afterwards. A lot of people, we went through this lockdown experience and I got the questions right away, you're never going to sub here again, are you? And I was like, well, what do I feel about this? And it boils down to, hey, if I'm going to ask my kid to go through this, I can go through this. And I've lived these experiences and I have this knowledge. I have some tools that I can help to ease some of the scariness, some of the trauma of the experience, depending on what happens right, right.

But whatever our tone is about the situation, those kids are going to feed off of that. Right. So if we're scared and we're panicked, then they're going to panic. But we can be that calm in the storm for those kids, and that's what's most important in any situation. And then other things, like behavioral issues. Oh, I've had those. They're fun. And I always am like, oh, no, I'm the bad mom now. Right. I sent two kids into the principal's office at recess. They're going to hate me. And the next time I saw them, they just smiled and high fived me like, no big deal. And I stressed about it a lot more than they did.

Yeah, right. You kind of figure it out, and it's where the mom training kind of kicks in, how to diffuse a situation and how to take someone who isn't acting accordingly to handle that. And, yeah, I've had situations where I've sent kids to the office and then politely said, you know what? That's actually not a class that I want to continue subbing for. It wasn't at my home school. This was at a school that I walked into and never having been in that school before, and I imagine that there was some other pieces to the puzzle as to why I felt uncomfortable in that classroom and that day and why I don't want to go back. That's something I can work through. You so quickly summed up some of the thoughts I've had about this, of like, let's get in, and teachers, you know, they work so hard. I think we all saw that in the pandemic over in Seattle where we are. We saw them online, we saw them show up. We saw them just grasping at straws to keep these kids engaged and still learning while in a completely different environment with so many variables outside of their control that it's like, all right, let's give them some relief somehow.

Yeah.

Okay, so with this, how has it benefited your family with you experiencing this and doing this?

Yeah, my kids, I was worried that they would be embarrassed to have mom at school. They love having me there. I feel like I know their friends a little bit better. Their friends come up and we'll be like, hi, Jackson's mom, or Hi, Kenzie's mom. Like, they're excited to see me. So I know the kids. I know that they're friends. I know the kids who are a little bit more trouble, know, I hear their names in not such a good way, but it's just building that connection from school to home. And my kids love it. They are excited to see me. They walk down to school. They walk home with me. And so it's just kind of been fun to be able to carry that over into our home and to have those little conversations. Last year, I was subbing for fourth grade when my son was in fourth grade, but I was across the hall from him, and at one point, he was looking into the classroom, and I blew a kiss to him to see if I could embarrass him, because you have to, right? And the class I was subbing thought it was hilarious, and Jackson turned bright red. And so yesterday I was subbing, and the kid said, do you remember when you did that last year? Let's try to embarrass Jackson again. And he was in my class, awesome science rotation that I had yesterday. And he just thinks it's great. It's so fun to kind of have that connection and to watch the kids grow. I know all of the fifth graders names and all the kids younger than them now. I know their names. I know how they are. I know if they're having a sad day, they'll come give me a hug. I don't know. I think it's made me a better, more patient mom as well, because I see what some kids go through and some of the hard times they have. So when my kids come home, I can hug them a little tighter, and I know that they're doing a great job. It makes you appreciate what you have a little bit more.

Perspective is huge. Yeah, it definitely changed things for me as I've been in different schools. Subbing at the high school was probably the biggest dose of perspective. I was intimidated to go into the high school. I didn't think it was safe. I didn't want to be there. Right. But seeing what my kids walk into every day and again, what I'm asking them to walk into, I can respond a little differently when they come home acting this way or that way or homework isn't done or what some issue that I would have made a big deal about previously. I got boundaries, I got expectations. But I can approach it a little differently now that I have a new perspective on what they experience each day. So one last question. How do you think it's impacted your like it's impacted the school, it's impacted the teachers. But if you think about Moscow as a, you know, a parent steps up to help, how does that impact your community?

Yeah, I think from building those relationships, then when you go outside into the community, then you see those kids and you start to get to know their parents. So that's kind of a fun relationship that kind of snowballs and carries through. But I think also it takes off a little bit of stress from the parents who aren't able to be at the school and volunteer. It takes a little bit of pressure off of them knowing that their kids still can go to school because they're not going to have to shut down for two weeks because there's too much illnesses going around and they don't have subs. It takes off that pressure.

I don't know.

It's fun. I've gotten. To know a lot of other principals and other teachers at other schools. Even though I haven't subbed there, they know me, and they know they can call on me. I've told them, like, yeah, I feel very comfortable teaching music. I would gladly come in. Am I a pro at music? Absolutely not.

But I figured it out.

Happy to be there. Yes. Going back to your last question. When I subbed at the middle school, was it my favorite place? No. But because I went in and I realized how much our kids see each day, the pressures and the attitudes and stuff that they see each day. And so I am a little bit more open minded with my middle schooler as well, of what they go through.

But I don't know.

I just think if we all pitch in where we can and lift the load where we can, it takes off the burden from everybody. Right? Like, it just makes everyone's shoulders a little lighter.

Amen. Right? Amen. Okay, so one last piece of advice that you would give someone who had said, like, me, there's no way in the world I would ever do that, that was me. Even just a couple of months ago when we were talking like, oh, my gosh, you are amazing. I would never do that. That's crazy. But here I am. So what advice would you give to someone who's like I've said, I would never do this, but I'm starting to kind of feel the rumblings. Right? What piece of advice would you give?

I would say go for it. I know it's scary, but fill out that application, get signed up to sub, and then try it once and see how it goes. But it's not as scary as we think. It's okay. Go in there with an open mind and an open heart, and you will fall in love with those kids. So I say just take that first step and try it out once or twice and see. And then you won't go back from there because it's amazing. I love it when they call me and ask me to come.

So that's awesome. Okay, tangent, do they call you Mrs. Lindy? Mrs. Walker? What do they call you?

Oh, I get all of them. So I've been Mrs. Walker. Mrs. Lindy is also always on the table. I'm also Mrs. Jackson's mom. I like it Mrs. Kenzie's mom. And now, because the kids know me so well, if I walk into a classroom, they'll be like, mom. So now it's just straight up mom sometimes, so you just get it all. And like I said, I'm mostly at the elementary school. I don't think middle schoolers or high schoolers would do that. But the second graders, they all just call me mom. So there's a wide range, which is.

A huge testament to the work that our teachers are doing. Our teachers are another set of Moms and dads. Right? It's not all women. There are some amazing men out there who are teaching and subbing. So just a huge testament to what teachers do for our kids. They're that second set of moms for our kids. So as we can help in any way in your sphere, your little corner of the world. However, you can help to just buoy them in this effort as they help to raise our kids as well. That's pretty amazing.

Well, we all see the impact that the teachers can have on our kids, right? Like, we've all had teachers that our kids are like, I love going to school. And then we've had those teachers on the other side that they're like, I don't know. My teacher yells a lot. If we can be that teacher for a day, that just makes those kids say, I love going to school. I felt loved today. That's all I need, right?

Yeah.

Need anything more than that? To know that one kid felt loved by me that day.

Amen Again. And that takes it from this kind of mission I'm on to buoy mothers in a way that they can kind of work through any fears or anxieties or stressors or whatever is going on in their life so that they can then reach out to their families, to the students and their communities. And when we elevate one, we elevate the whole. So it's pretty amazing. Kudos to you, Lindy.

Oh, thank you.

Thank you for just the quick moment of saying, oh, I did. You know, it wasn't that hard, because that really kind of did a domino effect for me, and it shifted my focus and helping to encourage other people to do it. So kudos to Lindy for that.

I don't feel like I'm doing much, but it is a lot of fun. And for those that feel like maybe subbing's not right, go try volunteering at the schools. That's what I always did is I volunteered in my kids classes before sub was even in my mind. Yeah, I would just go and volunteer occasionally, and it's fun getting in there. And then this is kind of like the next step. So if substituting feels too overwhelming or like you can't do it, just find a way to volunteer in the school and start there. Start small and then build up to where you can.

Exactly. And I think I've seen that with some of our peers as they've started small here or there and then subbing and then actually deciding to be hired on at the school. And I know that when I was growing up, my mom, she taught at this school where you're subbing and where I attended. And she started by subbing she started by doing that. She taught art and health in the cafeteria that they have there now. She went on to teach third grade for years and she had previously taught before having babies and all of that. But find A Way To Serve Small and it might blossom into this beautiful thing that helps you grow and develop, for sure.

Funny story, Lacey. When your mom taught third grade, she had my little brother, and I was in high school at the time, and I signed up for a teacher training class, and she was.

Oh, my gosh.

Yes.

It's like a big circle.

Oh, my gosh. I didn't even put that piece together.

Yeah. So she was, like, my first mentor as a teacher, I guess.

Well, kudos to my mom. Like, look what I know, right? She worked hard. I just remember her. She was a teacher, but during the summers, she worked hard to get in and advance herself and her own education so that she could bring it to the classroom. And I know she was a really well respected teacher. Absolutely.

They still talk about her up there.

That's right. And it's like, such a golden school, but I think we all have the opportunity to be that person absolutely. And create that environment for our so cool. All right, Lindy. Well, thank you. Thank you for the encouragement and bringing that full circle today. That's awesome.

Yes. Thanks for having me.

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